MED. 8.17Discipline of desire
George Long · 1862EN · Long

DOGMAIf a thing is in thy own power, why dost thou do it? But if it is in the power of another, whom dost thou blame? DOGMAThe atoms (chance) or the gods? Both are foolish. Thou must blame nobody. For if thou canst, correct that which is the cause; but if thou canst not do this, correct at least the thing itself; but if thou canst not do even this, of what use is it to thee to find fault? For nothing should be done without a purpose.

Original · ancient Greek

Εἰ μὲν ἐπὶ σοί, τί αὐτὸ ποιεῖς; εἰ δὲ ἐπ’ ἄλλῳ, τίνι μέμφῃ; ταῖς ἀτόμοις ἢ τοῖς θεοῖς; ἀμφότερα μανιώδη. Οὐδενὶ μεμπτέον. εἰ μὲν γὰρ δύνασαι, διόρθωσον· εἰ δὲ τοῦτο μὴ δύνασαι, τό γε πρᾶγμα αὐτό· εἰ δὲ μηδὲ τοῦτο, πρὸς τί ἔτι σοι φέρει τὸ μέμψασθαι; εἰκῇ γὰρ οὐδὲν ποιητέον.

Leopold · Teubner 1908
Commentary

A mapping of blame. The passage is a short logical fork against the very posture of "faultfinding" (μέμψις). If the matter is DOGMA"in your power" (ἐπὶ σοί) — then why are you doing it (that is, correct yourself)? If "in another's" — whom do you blame? Both addresses of reproach are dead ends, and Marcus sharpens it: what is left to blame is only DOGMA"the atoms or the gods" (ταῖς ἀτόμοις ἢ τοῖς θεοῖς), and "both are mad" (ἀμφότερα μανιώδη) — to reproach chance is senseless, to reproach providence impious.

A ladder instead of a complaint. The conclusion is Οὐδενὶ μεμπτέον, "blame no one," and a practical replacement for grumbling: (1) if you can — "correct" the cause (διόρθωσον, the one who acts); (2) if you cannot — correct "the thing itself" (τὸ πρᾶγμα, the circumstance); (3) if you cannot do even that — then reproach is pointless anyway (εἰκῇ γὰρ οὐδὲν ποιητέον, "do nothing at random"). The "atoms or gods" disjunction is a standing figure of the corpus, and both its horns lead to one place: faultfinding is useless (see DOGMAprovidence-or-atoms; 8.18). There are no term-lemmata in the text. The governing discipline is desire (not to murmur), the sustaining one action (to mend or to accept).

DisciplineDiscipline of desire
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Discipline of desire

George Long · 1862· EN · Long

DOGMAIf a thing is in thy own power, why dost thou do it? But if it is in the power of another, whom dost thou blame? DOGMAThe atoms (chance) or the gods? Both are foolish. Thou must blame nobody. For if thou canst, correct that which is the cause; but if thou canst not do this, correct at least the thing itself; but if thou canst not do even this, of what use is it to thee to find fault? For nothing should be done without a purpose.

Original · ancient Greek

Εἰ μὲν ἐπὶ σοί, τί αὐτὸ ποιεῖς; εἰ δὲ ἐπ’ ἄλλῳ, τίνι μέμφῃ; ταῖς ἀτόμοις ἢ τοῖς θεοῖς; ἀμφότερα μανιώδη. Οὐδενὶ μεμπτέον. εἰ μὲν γὰρ δύνασαι, διόρθωσον· εἰ δὲ τοῦτο μὴ δύνασαι, τό γε πρᾶγμα αὐτό· εἰ δὲ μηδὲ τοῦτο, πρὸς τί ἔτι σοι φέρει τὸ μέμψασθαι; εἰκῇ γὰρ οὐδὲν ποιητέον.

Leopold · Teubner 1908
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Commentary

A mapping of blame. The passage is a short logical fork against the very posture of "faultfinding" (μέμψις). If the matter is DOGMA"in your power" (ἐπὶ σοί) — then why are you doing it (that is, correct yourself)? If "in another's" — whom do you blame? Both addresses of reproach are dead ends, and Marcus sharpens it: what is left to blame is only DOGMA"the atoms or the gods" (ταῖς ἀτόμοις ἢ τοῖς θεοῖς), and "both are mad" (ἀμφότερα μανιώδη) — to reproach chance is senseless, to reproach providence impious.

A ladder instead of a complaint. The conclusion is Οὐδενὶ μεμπτέον, "blame no one," and a practical replacement for grumbling: (1) if you can — "correct" the cause (διόρθωσον, the one who acts); (2) if you cannot — correct "the thing itself" (τὸ πρᾶγμα, the circumstance); (3) if you cannot do even that — then reproach is pointless anyway (εἰκῇ γὰρ οὐδὲν ποιητέον, "do nothing at random"). The "atoms or gods" disjunction is a standing figure of the corpus, and both its horns lead to one place: faultfinding is useless (see DOGMAprovidence-or-atoms; 8.18). There are no term-lemmata in the text. The governing discipline is desire (not to murmur), the sustaining one action (to mend or to accept).

DisciplineDiscipline of desire
Record added2026-07-16
Statuspublished