MED. 11.25Discipline of action
Commentary

A witticism decoded on the spot. The passage has two parts: Socrates's reply and a gloss — τουτέστι, "that is." Marcus records not only the joke but its analysis, because without the analysis it would read as pride. This sets 11.25 apart from the neighbouring tags (11.22, 11.23, 11.24): here an interpretation is given after all, and in a single word.

The hyperbole the joke rests on. τῷ κακίστῳ ὀλέθρῳ ἀπόλωμαι — "to perish by the worst destruction." The phrase is abusive, from the language of the street ("go to the devil"); in Socrates's mouth it is comic precisely by its disproportion: the worst destruction is neither death nor dishonour but being unable to repay.

Why this is not about pride. The refusal is motivated not by an unwillingness to be obliged but by the impossibility of answeringμὴ εὖ παθὼν οὐ δυνηθῶ ἀντευποιῆσαι: "having been well treated, to be unable to do good in return." The verb ἀντευποιέω is "to do good back"; the prefix ἀντι- carries the whole thought. The trouble is not in accepting a gift but in the rupture of reciprocity: a king may give in such a way that nothing can answer it, and then the relation ceases to be social and becomes one-sided.

How it fits the book. Cf. 11.4: if you have done something social, you have already been benefited — there the reward coincides with the deed; here the gift cannot be balanced, and is therefore dangerous. And cf. 11.24, where the Spartans give the shade to their guests and lose nothing: exchange is possible when the parties are commensurable. The governing discipline is action, the sustaining one assent.

DisciplineDiscipline of action
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Discipline of action

Original · ancient Greek
Leopold · Teubner 1908
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Commentary

A witticism decoded on the spot. The passage has two parts: Socrates's reply and a gloss — τουτέστι, "that is." Marcus records not only the joke but its analysis, because without the analysis it would read as pride. This sets 11.25 apart from the neighbouring tags (11.22, 11.23, 11.24): here an interpretation is given after all, and in a single word.

The hyperbole the joke rests on. τῷ κακίστῳ ὀλέθρῳ ἀπόλωμαι — "to perish by the worst destruction." The phrase is abusive, from the language of the street ("go to the devil"); in Socrates's mouth it is comic precisely by its disproportion: the worst destruction is neither death nor dishonour but being unable to repay.

Why this is not about pride. The refusal is motivated not by an unwillingness to be obliged but by the impossibility of answeringμὴ εὖ παθὼν οὐ δυνηθῶ ἀντευποιῆσαι: "having been well treated, to be unable to do good in return." The verb ἀντευποιέω is "to do good back"; the prefix ἀντι- carries the whole thought. The trouble is not in accepting a gift but in the rupture of reciprocity: a king may give in such a way that nothing can answer it, and then the relation ceases to be social and becomes one-sided.

How it fits the book. Cf. 11.4: if you have done something social, you have already been benefited — there the reward coincides with the deed; here the gift cannot be balanced, and is therefore dangerous. And cf. 11.24, where the Spartans give the shade to their guests and lose nothing: exchange is possible when the parties are commensurable. The governing discipline is action, the sustaining one assent.

DisciplineDiscipline of action
Record added2026-07-16
Statuspublished