MED. 7.66Discipline of desire
George Long · 1862EN · Long

How do we know if Telauges1 was not superior in character to PERSONSocrates? For it is not enough that Socrates died a more noble death, and disputed more skilfully with the sophists, and passed the night in the cold with more endurance, and that when he was bid to arrest Leon of Salamis2, he considered it more noble to refuse, and that he walked in a swaggering way in the streets—though as to this fact one may have great doubts if it was true. But we ought to inquire what kind of a TERMsoul it was that Socrates possessed, and DOGMAif he was able to be content with being just towards men and pious towards the gods, neither idly vexed on account of men's TERMvillainy, nor yet making himself a slave to any man's TERMignorance, nor receiving as strange anything that fell to his share out of the universal, nor enduring it as intolerable, nor allowing his TERMunderstanding to sympathize with the affects of the miserable flesh.

Original · ancient Greek

Πόθεν ἴσμεν, εἰ μὴ Τηλαύγης Σωκράτους τὴν διάθεσιν κρείσσων ἦν; οὐ γὰρ ἀρκεῖ, εἰ Σωκράτης ἐνδοξότερον ἀπέθανε καὶ ἐντρεχέστερον τοῖς σοφισταῖς διελέγετο καὶ καρτερικώτερον ἐν τῷ πάγῳ διενυκτέρευε καὶ τὸν Σαλαμίνιον κελευσθεὶς ἄγειν γεννικώτερον ἔδοξεν ἀντιβῆναι καὶ ἐν ταῖς ὁδοῖς ἐβρενθύετο, περὶ οὗ καὶ μάλιστ’ ἄν τις ἐπιστήσειεν, εἴπερ ἀληθὲς ἦν· ἀλλ’ ἐκεῖνο δεῖ σκοπεῖν, ποίαν τινὰ τὴν ψυχὴν εἶχε Σωκράτης καὶ εἰ ἐδύνατο ἀρκεῖσθαι τῷ δίκαιος εἶναι τὰ πρὸς ἀνθρώπους καὶ ὅσιος τὰ πρὸς θεούς, μήτε εἰκῇ πρὸς τὴν κακίαν ἀγανακτῶν μηδὲ μὴν δουλεύων τινὸς ἀγνοίᾳ, μήτε τῶν ἀπονεμομένων ἐκ τοῦ ὅλου ὡς ξένον τι δεχόμενος ἢ ὡς ἀφόρητον ὑπομένων, μήτε τοῖς τοῦ σαρκιδίου πάθεσιν ἐμπαρέχων συμπαθῆ τὸν νοῦν.

Leopold · Teubner 1908
Commentary

Not the glory but the soul. The passage is methodological: how is virtue to be measured? Marcus takes Socrates, the paradigm sage, and the obscure Telauges1 — and asks: how do we know Socrates was "superior in disposition (διάθεσις)"? He then lists everything usually counted to Socrates' credit — and declares it insufficient (οὐ γὰρ ἀρκεῖ): the noble death, the disputes with sophists, the night in the frost (Plato, Symposium 220a–b), the refusal to arrest Leon of Salamis2, the swaggering gait (ἐβρενθύετο — from Aristophanes' Clouds 362, a comic image). All of it is external, and half-legendary at that ("and one may greatly doubt whether it was even true").

The one measure. ἀλλ’ ἐκεῖνο δεῖ σκοπεῖν — "this is what we must look at": what kind of TERMsoul Socrates had. And the criterion is unfolded as a list of inner states: DOGMAwhether he could be content with being just toward men and pious toward the gods (δίκαιοςὅσιος — the whole of ethics in two words); whether he was not idly vexed at TERMvice (πρὸς τὴν κακίαν ἀγανακτῶν); whether he was not a slave to anyone's TERMignorance (δουλεύων τινὸς ἀγνοίᾳ — not letting another's folly govern him); whether he did not receive what fell from the Whole as strange or intolerable (the love of fate); whether he did not let his TERMmind sympathize (συμπαθῆ) with the affects of the "poor little flesh" (σαρκίδιον). Five inner tests — and not one outer. The greatness of the sage is invisible and therefore incontestable only from within; celebrity and virtue are different axes, and the second cannot be read off the first (cf. 03-06, 7.34). The discipline is desire.

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Discipline of desire

George Long · 1862· EN · Long

How do we know if Telauges1 was not superior in character to PERSONSocrates? For it is not enough that Socrates died a more noble death, and disputed more skilfully with the sophists, and passed the night in the cold with more endurance, and that when he was bid to arrest Leon of Salamis2, he considered it more noble to refuse, and that he walked in a swaggering way in the streets—though as to this fact one may have great doubts if it was true. But we ought to inquire what kind of a TERMsoul it was that Socrates possessed, and DOGMAif he was able to be content with being just towards men and pious towards the gods, neither idly vexed on account of men's TERMvillainy, nor yet making himself a slave to any man's TERMignorance, nor receiving as strange anything that fell to his share out of the universal, nor enduring it as intolerable, nor allowing his TERMunderstanding to sympathize with the affects of the miserable flesh.

Original · ancient Greek

Πόθεν ἴσμεν, εἰ μὴ Τηλαύγης Σωκράτους τὴν διάθεσιν κρείσσων ἦν; οὐ γὰρ ἀρκεῖ, εἰ Σωκράτης ἐνδοξότερον ἀπέθανε καὶ ἐντρεχέστερον τοῖς σοφισταῖς διελέγετο καὶ καρτερικώτερον ἐν τῷ πάγῳ διενυκτέρευε καὶ τὸν Σαλαμίνιον κελευσθεὶς ἄγειν γεννικώτερον ἔδοξεν ἀντιβῆναι καὶ ἐν ταῖς ὁδοῖς ἐβρενθύετο, περὶ οὗ καὶ μάλιστ’ ἄν τις ἐπιστήσειεν, εἴπερ ἀληθὲς ἦν· ἀλλ’ ἐκεῖνο δεῖ σκοπεῖν, ποίαν τινὰ τὴν ψυχὴν εἶχε Σωκράτης καὶ εἰ ἐδύνατο ἀρκεῖσθαι τῷ δίκαιος εἶναι τὰ πρὸς ἀνθρώπους καὶ ὅσιος τὰ πρὸς θεούς, μήτε εἰκῇ πρὸς τὴν κακίαν ἀγανακτῶν μηδὲ μὴν δουλεύων τινὸς ἀγνοίᾳ, μήτε τῶν ἀπονεμομένων ἐκ τοῦ ὅλου ὡς ξένον τι δεχόμενος ἢ ὡς ἀφόρητον ὑπομένων, μήτε τοῖς τοῦ σαρκιδίου πάθεσιν ἐμπαρέχων συμπαθῆ τὸν νοῦν.

Leopold · Teubner 1908
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Commentary

Not the glory but the soul. The passage is methodological: how is virtue to be measured? Marcus takes Socrates, the paradigm sage, and the obscure Telauges1 — and asks: how do we know Socrates was "superior in disposition (διάθεσις)"? He then lists everything usually counted to Socrates' credit — and declares it insufficient (οὐ γὰρ ἀρκεῖ): the noble death, the disputes with sophists, the night in the frost (Plato, Symposium 220a–b), the refusal to arrest Leon of Salamis2, the swaggering gait (ἐβρενθύετο — from Aristophanes' Clouds 362, a comic image). All of it is external, and half-legendary at that ("and one may greatly doubt whether it was even true").

The one measure. ἀλλ’ ἐκεῖνο δεῖ σκοπεῖν — "this is what we must look at": what kind of TERMsoul Socrates had. And the criterion is unfolded as a list of inner states: DOGMAwhether he could be content with being just toward men and pious toward the gods (δίκαιοςὅσιος — the whole of ethics in two words); whether he was not idly vexed at TERMvice (πρὸς τὴν κακίαν ἀγανακτῶν); whether he was not a slave to anyone's TERMignorance (δουλεύων τινὸς ἀγνοίᾳ — not letting another's folly govern him); whether he did not receive what fell from the Whole as strange or intolerable (the love of fate); whether he did not let his TERMmind sympathize (συμπαθῆ) with the affects of the "poor little flesh" (σαρκίδιον). Five inner tests — and not one outer. The greatness of the sage is invisible and therefore incontestable only from within; celebrity and virtue are different axes, and the second cannot be read off the first (cf. 03-06, 7.34). The discipline is desire.

DisciplineDiscipline of desire
Record added2026-07-16
Statuspublished