MED. 9.35Discipline of desire
Original · ancient Greek

Ἡ ἀποβολὴ οὐδὲν ἄλλο ἐστὶν ἢ μεταβολή. τούτῳ δὲ χαίρει ἡ τῶν ὅλων φύσις, καθ’ ἣν πάντα καλῶς γίνεται καὶ ἐξ αἰῶνος ὁμοειδῶς ἐγίνετο καὶ εἰς ἄπειρον τοιαῦθ̓ ἕτερα ἔσται. τί οὖν λέγεις ὅτι ἐγίνετό τε πάντα κακῶς καὶ πάντα ἀεὶ κακῶς ἔσται καὶ οὐδεμία ἄρα δύναμις ἐν τοσούτοις θεοῖς ἐξευρέθη ποτὲ ἡ διορθώσουσα ταῦτα, ἀλλὰ κατακέκριται ὁ κόσμος ἐν ἀδιαλείπτοις κακοῖς συνέχεσθαι;

Leopold · Teubner 1908
Commentary

Loss = change. A therapeutic identity: TERMἀποβολή (loss) is nothing but μεταβολή (change). And in this change TERM"the nature of the Whole" (ἡ τῶν ὅλων φύσις) DOGMA"delights" (χαίρει) — nothing is lost into non-being, everything passes over (cf. 4.36 "everything is a seed"; 9.19). To draw the sting of loss is to see in it not a subtraction but a change of form.

Theodicy by reductio. Then the argument: DOGMA"by which all comes to be well" (πάντα καλῶς γίνεται), uniformly from eternity into infinity. And the rhetorical blow: "will you say that all comes to be badly and always will, and that among so many gods no power was found to right it — and the cosmos stands condemned to unceasing evils?" The absurdity of the conclusion proves the premise: the cosmos is ordered by a good Logos, and to murmur at change is to charge the gods with impotence. The governing discipline is desire.

DisciplineDiscipline of desire
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Discipline of desire

George Long · 1862· EN · Long
Original · ancient Greek

Ἡ ἀποβολὴ οὐδὲν ἄλλο ἐστὶν ἢ μεταβολή. τούτῳ δὲ χαίρει ἡ τῶν ὅλων φύσις, καθ’ ἣν πάντα καλῶς γίνεται καὶ ἐξ αἰῶνος ὁμοειδῶς ἐγίνετο καὶ εἰς ἄπειρον τοιαῦθ̓ ἕτερα ἔσται. τί οὖν λέγεις ὅτι ἐγίνετό τε πάντα κακῶς καὶ πάντα ἀεὶ κακῶς ἔσται καὶ οὐδεμία ἄρα δύναμις ἐν τοσούτοις θεοῖς ἐξευρέθη ποτὲ ἡ διορθώσουσα ταῦτα, ἀλλὰ κατακέκριται ὁ κόσμος ἐν ἀδιαλείπτοις κακοῖς συνέχεσθαι;

Leopold · Teubner 1908
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Commentary

Loss = change. A therapeutic identity: TERMἀποβολή (loss) is nothing but μεταβολή (change). And in this change TERM"the nature of the Whole" (ἡ τῶν ὅλων φύσις) DOGMA"delights" (χαίρει) — nothing is lost into non-being, everything passes over (cf. 4.36 "everything is a seed"; 9.19). To draw the sting of loss is to see in it not a subtraction but a change of form.

Theodicy by reductio. Then the argument: DOGMA"by which all comes to be well" (πάντα καλῶς γίνεται), uniformly from eternity into infinity. And the rhetorical blow: "will you say that all comes to be badly and always will, and that among so many gods no power was found to right it — and the cosmos stands condemned to unceasing evils?" The absurdity of the conclusion proves the premise: the cosmos is ordered by a good Logos, and to murmur at change is to charge the gods with impotence. The governing discipline is desire.

DisciplineDiscipline of desire
Record added2026-07-16
Statuspublished