MED. 9.1Discipline of desire
George Long · 1862EN · Long

He who acts unjustly acts impiously. For since the TERMuniversal nature has made DOGMArational animals for the sake of one another to help one another according to their deserts, but in no way to injure one another, he who transgresses her will, is clearly guilty of impiety towards the highest divinity. And he too who lies is guilty of impiety to the same divinity; for the universal nature is the nature of things that are; and things that are have a relation to all things that come into existence. And further, this universal nature is named truth, and is the prime cause of all things that are true. He then who lies intentionally is guilty of impiety inasmuch as he acts unjustly by deceiving; and he also who lies unintentionally, inasmuch as he is at variance with the universal nature, and inasmuch as he disturbs the order by fighting against the nature of the world; for he fights against it, who is moved of himself to that which is contrary to truth, for he had received powers from nature through the neglect of which he is not able now to distinguish falsehood from truth. And indeed he who pursues TERMpleasure as good, and avoids pain as evil, is guilty of impiety. For of necessity such a man must often find fault with the universal nature, alleging that it assigns things to the bad and the good contrary to their deserts, because frequently the bad are in the enjoyment of pleasure and possess the things which procure pleasure, but the good have pain for their share and the things which cause pain. And further, he who is afraid of pain will sometimes also be afraid of some of the things which will happen in the world, and even this is impiety. And he who pursues pleasure will not abstain from injustice, and this is plainly impiety. Now with respect to the things towards which the universal nature is equally affected- for it would not have made both, unless it was equally affected towards both- towards these DOGMAthey who wish to follow nature should be of the same mind with it, and equally affected. With respect to pain, then, and pleasure, or death and life, or honour and dishonour, which the universal nature employs equally, whoever is not equally affected is manifestly acting impiously. And I say that the universal nature employs them equally, instead of saying that they happen alike to those who are produced in continuous series and to those who come after them by virtue of a certain original movement of DOGMAProvidence, according to which it moved from a certain beginning to this ordering of things, MOTIFhaving conceived certain principles of the things which were to be, and having determined powers productive of beings and of changes and of such like successions.

Original · ancient Greek

Ὁ ἀδικῶν ἀσεβεῖ· τῆς γὰρ τῶν ὅλων φύσεως κατεσκευακυίας τὰ λογικὰ ζῷα ἕνεκεν ἀλλήλων, ὥστε ὠφελεῖν μὲν ἄλληλα κατ’ ἀξίαν βλάπτειν δὲ μηδαμῶς, ὁ τὸ βούλημα ταύτης παραβαίνων ἀσεβεῖ δηλονότι εἰς τὴν πρεσβυτάτην τῶν θεῶν. καὶ ὁ ψευδόμενος δὲ ἀσεβεῖ περὶ τὴν αὐτὴν θεόν· ἡ γὰρ τῶν ὅλων φύσις ὄντων ἐστὶ φύσις· τὰ δέ γε ὄντα πρὸς τὰ ὑπάρχοντα πάντα οἰκείως ἔχει. ἔτι δὲ καὶ ἀλήθεια αὕτη ὀνομάζεται καὶ τῶν ἀληθῶν ἁπάντων πρώτη αἰτία ἐστίν.

ὁ μὲν οὖν ἑκὼν ψευδόμενος ἀσεβεῖ, καθόσον ἐξαπατῶν ἀδικεῖ· ὁ δὲ ἄκων, καθόσον διαφωνεῖ τῇ τῶν ὅλων φύσει καὶ καθόσον ἀκοσμεῖ μαχόμενος τῇ τοῦ κόσμου φύσει· μάχεται γὰρ ὁ ἐπὶ τἀναντία τοῖς ἀληθέσι φερόμενος παρ’ ἑαυτόν· ἀφορμὰς γὰρ προειλήφει παρὰ τῆς φύσεως, ὧν ἀμελήσας οὐχ οἷός τέ ἐστι νῦν διακρίνειν τὰ ψευδῆ ἀπὸ τῶν ἀληθῶν. καὶ μὴν ὁ τὰς ἡδονὰς ὡς ἀγαθὰ διώκων, τοὺς δὲ πόνους ὡς κακὰ φεύγων ἀσεβεῖ· ἀνάγκη γὰρ τὸν τοιοῦτον μέμφεσθαι πολλάκις τῇ κοινῇ φύσει ὡς παῤ ἀξίαν τι ἀπονεμούσῃ τοῖς φαύλοις καὶ τοῖς σπουδαίοις, διὰ τὸ πολλάκις τοὺς μὲν φαύλους ἐν ἡδοναῖς εἶναι καὶ τὰ ποιητικὰ τούτων κτᾶσθαι, τοὺς δὲ σπουδαίους πόνῳ καὶ τοῖς ποιητικοῖς τούτου περιπίπτειν.

ἔτι δὲ ὁ φοβούμενος τοὺς πόνους φοβηθήσεταί ποτε καὶ τῶν ἐσομένων τι ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ, τοῦτο δὲ ἤδη ἀσεβές· ὅ τε διώκων τὰς ἡδονὰς οὐκ ἀφέξεται τοῦ ἀδικεῖν, τοῦτο δὲ ἐναργῶς ἀσεβές· χρὴ δὲ πρὸς ἃ ἡ κοινὴ φύσις ἐπίσης ἔχει (οὐ γὰρ ἀμφότερα ἂν ἐποίει, εἰ μὴ πρὸς ἀμφότερα ἐπίσης εἶχε), πρὸς ταῦτα καὶ τοὺς τῇ φύσει βουλομένους ἕπεσθαι, ὁμογνώμονας ὄντας, ἐπίσης διακεῖσθαι· ὅστις οὖν πρὸς πόνον καὶ ἡδονὴν ἢ θάνατον καὶ ζωὴν ἢ δόξαν καὶ ἀδοξίαν, οἷς ἐπίσης ἡ τῶν ὅλων φύσις χρῆται, αὐτὸς οὐκ ἐπίσης ἔχει, δῆλον ὡς ἀσεβεῖ.

λέγω δὲ τὸ χρῆσθαι τούτοις ἐπίσης τὴν κοινὴν φύσιν ἀντὶ τοῦ συμβαίνειν ἐπίσης κατὰ τὸ ἑξῆς τοῖς γινομένοις καὶ ἐπιγινομένοις ὁρμῇ τινι ἀρχαίᾳ τῆς προνοίας, καθ’ ἣν ἀπό τινος ἀρχῆς ὥρμησεν ἐπὶ τήνδε τὴν διακόσμησιν, συλλαβοῦσά τινας λόγους τῶν ἐσομένων καὶ δυνάμεις γονίμους ἀφορίσασα ὑποστάσεών τε καὶ μεταβολῶν καὶ διαδοχῶν τοιούτων.

Leopold · Teubner 1908
Commentary

Impiety = a break with nature. The programmatic opening of Book IX builds a single chain: every sin against one's neighbour, against truth, and against evenness is ἀσέβεια, impiety "toward the eldest of the gods" — the TERMnature of the Whole itself. The logic: nature framed DOGMArational beings "for one another — to help according to desert, not to harm" (the same formula as 8.59; 02-01) — so injustice violates her will (βούλημα) and is a sacrilege.

Lying as impiety: nature = truth. The second move is subtler: the nature of the Whole is the "nature of the things that are" (ὄντων φύσις), and it is also named ἀλήθεια (truth), the "first cause of all truths." Hence the liar profanes the same divinity. Two liars are distinguished: the willing (he deceives — therefore is unjust) and the unwilling (he is out of tune with nature, introduces ἀκοσμία, "disorder"): he has neglected the "starting-points" (ἀφορμαί) nature gave for telling true from false, and so is thrown off.

The chase after pleasure — impiety too. Whoever pursues TERMpleasure as a good and flees pain as an evil must blame the common nature (that it distributes "contrary to desert" to bad and good) — and to murmur at the ordering is impiety. Further: he who fears pain will sooner or later dread "something to come in the world," and he who chases pleasure will not hold back from injustice.

Indifference to what nature takes "equally." The climax is the Stoic indifference under the sign of piety: pain/pleasure, death/life, fame/dishonour nature "uses equally" (ἐπίσης) — and it would not have made both members of a pair without being evenly disposed to them. So DOGMA"the one who wishes to follow nature" must himself hold evenly toward them; whoever is unevenly disposed profanes. Thus the discipline of desire (ἀπάθεια toward externals) is re-described not as self-mastery but as piety: to fall out of tune with nature's evenness is to offend the god.

"Equally" = providence and the seminal reasons. The closing qualification: nature's "using them equally" means all befalls "in sequence" (κατὰ τὸ ἑξῆς) from DOGMAthe original impulse of providence (ὁρμὴ ἀρχαία τῆς προνοίας), which set out to the present ordering (διακόσμησις), MOTIF"having conceived the seminal reasons (λόγοι) of what was to be, and marked off the generative powers" of substances, TERMtransformations, and successions (cf. 04-14 — the return into the λόγος σπερματικός; 7.75). The governing discipline is desire (evenness toward the indifferent as piety), the sustaining one action (justice and truthfulness toward one's neighbour).

DisciplineDiscipline of desire
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Discipline of desire

George Long · 1862· EN · Long

He who acts unjustly acts impiously. For since the TERMuniversal nature has made DOGMArational animals for the sake of one another to help one another according to their deserts, but in no way to injure one another, he who transgresses her will, is clearly guilty of impiety towards the highest divinity. And he too who lies is guilty of impiety to the same divinity; for the universal nature is the nature of things that are; and things that are have a relation to all things that come into existence. And further, this universal nature is named truth, and is the prime cause of all things that are true. He then who lies intentionally is guilty of impiety inasmuch as he acts unjustly by deceiving; and he also who lies unintentionally, inasmuch as he is at variance with the universal nature, and inasmuch as he disturbs the order by fighting against the nature of the world; for he fights against it, who is moved of himself to that which is contrary to truth, for he had received powers from nature through the neglect of which he is not able now to distinguish falsehood from truth. And indeed he who pursues TERMpleasure as good, and avoids pain as evil, is guilty of impiety. For of necessity such a man must often find fault with the universal nature, alleging that it assigns things to the bad and the good contrary to their deserts, because frequently the bad are in the enjoyment of pleasure and possess the things which procure pleasure, but the good have pain for their share and the things which cause pain. And further, he who is afraid of pain will sometimes also be afraid of some of the things which will happen in the world, and even this is impiety. And he who pursues pleasure will not abstain from injustice, and this is plainly impiety. Now with respect to the things towards which the universal nature is equally affected- for it would not have made both, unless it was equally affected towards both- towards these DOGMAthey who wish to follow nature should be of the same mind with it, and equally affected. With respect to pain, then, and pleasure, or death and life, or honour and dishonour, which the universal nature employs equally, whoever is not equally affected is manifestly acting impiously. And I say that the universal nature employs them equally, instead of saying that they happen alike to those who are produced in continuous series and to those who come after them by virtue of a certain original movement of DOGMAProvidence, according to which it moved from a certain beginning to this ordering of things, MOTIFhaving conceived certain principles of the things which were to be, and having determined powers productive of beings and of changes and of such like successions.

Original · ancient Greek

Ὁ ἀδικῶν ἀσεβεῖ· τῆς γὰρ τῶν ὅλων φύσεως κατεσκευακυίας τὰ λογικὰ ζῷα ἕνεκεν ἀλλήλων, ὥστε ὠφελεῖν μὲν ἄλληλα κατ’ ἀξίαν βλάπτειν δὲ μηδαμῶς, ὁ τὸ βούλημα ταύτης παραβαίνων ἀσεβεῖ δηλονότι εἰς τὴν πρεσβυτάτην τῶν θεῶν. καὶ ὁ ψευδόμενος δὲ ἀσεβεῖ περὶ τὴν αὐτὴν θεόν· ἡ γὰρ τῶν ὅλων φύσις ὄντων ἐστὶ φύσις· τὰ δέ γε ὄντα πρὸς τὰ ὑπάρχοντα πάντα οἰκείως ἔχει. ἔτι δὲ καὶ ἀλήθεια αὕτη ὀνομάζεται καὶ τῶν ἀληθῶν ἁπάντων πρώτη αἰτία ἐστίν.

ὁ μὲν οὖν ἑκὼν ψευδόμενος ἀσεβεῖ, καθόσον ἐξαπατῶν ἀδικεῖ· ὁ δὲ ἄκων, καθόσον διαφωνεῖ τῇ τῶν ὅλων φύσει καὶ καθόσον ἀκοσμεῖ μαχόμενος τῇ τοῦ κόσμου φύσει· μάχεται γὰρ ὁ ἐπὶ τἀναντία τοῖς ἀληθέσι φερόμενος παρ’ ἑαυτόν· ἀφορμὰς γὰρ προειλήφει παρὰ τῆς φύσεως, ὧν ἀμελήσας οὐχ οἷός τέ ἐστι νῦν διακρίνειν τὰ ψευδῆ ἀπὸ τῶν ἀληθῶν. καὶ μὴν ὁ τὰς ἡδονὰς ὡς ἀγαθὰ διώκων, τοὺς δὲ πόνους ὡς κακὰ φεύγων ἀσεβεῖ· ἀνάγκη γὰρ τὸν τοιοῦτον μέμφεσθαι πολλάκις τῇ κοινῇ φύσει ὡς παῤ ἀξίαν τι ἀπονεμούσῃ τοῖς φαύλοις καὶ τοῖς σπουδαίοις, διὰ τὸ πολλάκις τοὺς μὲν φαύλους ἐν ἡδοναῖς εἶναι καὶ τὰ ποιητικὰ τούτων κτᾶσθαι, τοὺς δὲ σπουδαίους πόνῳ καὶ τοῖς ποιητικοῖς τούτου περιπίπτειν.

ἔτι δὲ ὁ φοβούμενος τοὺς πόνους φοβηθήσεταί ποτε καὶ τῶν ἐσομένων τι ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ, τοῦτο δὲ ἤδη ἀσεβές· ὅ τε διώκων τὰς ἡδονὰς οὐκ ἀφέξεται τοῦ ἀδικεῖν, τοῦτο δὲ ἐναργῶς ἀσεβές· χρὴ δὲ πρὸς ἃ ἡ κοινὴ φύσις ἐπίσης ἔχει (οὐ γὰρ ἀμφότερα ἂν ἐποίει, εἰ μὴ πρὸς ἀμφότερα ἐπίσης εἶχε), πρὸς ταῦτα καὶ τοὺς τῇ φύσει βουλομένους ἕπεσθαι, ὁμογνώμονας ὄντας, ἐπίσης διακεῖσθαι· ὅστις οὖν πρὸς πόνον καὶ ἡδονὴν ἢ θάνατον καὶ ζωὴν ἢ δόξαν καὶ ἀδοξίαν, οἷς ἐπίσης ἡ τῶν ὅλων φύσις χρῆται, αὐτὸς οὐκ ἐπίσης ἔχει, δῆλον ὡς ἀσεβεῖ.

λέγω δὲ τὸ χρῆσθαι τούτοις ἐπίσης τὴν κοινὴν φύσιν ἀντὶ τοῦ συμβαίνειν ἐπίσης κατὰ τὸ ἑξῆς τοῖς γινομένοις καὶ ἐπιγινομένοις ὁρμῇ τινι ἀρχαίᾳ τῆς προνοίας, καθ’ ἣν ἀπό τινος ἀρχῆς ὥρμησεν ἐπὶ τήνδε τὴν διακόσμησιν, συλλαβοῦσά τινας λόγους τῶν ἐσομένων καὶ δυνάμεις γονίμους ἀφορίσασα ὑποστάσεών τε καὶ μεταβολῶν καὶ διαδοχῶν τοιούτων.

Leopold · Teubner 1908
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Commentary

Impiety = a break with nature. The programmatic opening of Book IX builds a single chain: every sin against one's neighbour, against truth, and against evenness is ἀσέβεια, impiety "toward the eldest of the gods" — the TERMnature of the Whole itself. The logic: nature framed DOGMArational beings "for one another — to help according to desert, not to harm" (the same formula as 8.59; 02-01) — so injustice violates her will (βούλημα) and is a sacrilege.

Lying as impiety: nature = truth. The second move is subtler: the nature of the Whole is the "nature of the things that are" (ὄντων φύσις), and it is also named ἀλήθεια (truth), the "first cause of all truths." Hence the liar profanes the same divinity. Two liars are distinguished: the willing (he deceives — therefore is unjust) and the unwilling (he is out of tune with nature, introduces ἀκοσμία, "disorder"): he has neglected the "starting-points" (ἀφορμαί) nature gave for telling true from false, and so is thrown off.

The chase after pleasure — impiety too. Whoever pursues TERMpleasure as a good and flees pain as an evil must blame the common nature (that it distributes "contrary to desert" to bad and good) — and to murmur at the ordering is impiety. Further: he who fears pain will sooner or later dread "something to come in the world," and he who chases pleasure will not hold back from injustice.

Indifference to what nature takes "equally." The climax is the Stoic indifference under the sign of piety: pain/pleasure, death/life, fame/dishonour nature "uses equally" (ἐπίσης) — and it would not have made both members of a pair without being evenly disposed to them. So DOGMA"the one who wishes to follow nature" must himself hold evenly toward them; whoever is unevenly disposed profanes. Thus the discipline of desire (ἀπάθεια toward externals) is re-described not as self-mastery but as piety: to fall out of tune with nature's evenness is to offend the god.

"Equally" = providence and the seminal reasons. The closing qualification: nature's "using them equally" means all befalls "in sequence" (κατὰ τὸ ἑξῆς) from DOGMAthe original impulse of providence (ὁρμὴ ἀρχαία τῆς προνοίας), which set out to the present ordering (διακόσμησις), MOTIF"having conceived the seminal reasons (λόγοι) of what was to be, and marked off the generative powers" of substances, TERMtransformations, and successions (cf. 04-14 — the return into the λόγος σπερματικός; 7.75). The governing discipline is desire (evenness toward the indifferent as piety), the sustaining one action (justice and truthfulness toward one's neighbour).

DisciplineDiscipline of desire
Record added2026-07-16
Statuspublished