MED. 8.21Discipline of desire
George Long · 1862EN · Long

EXERCISETurn it (the body) inside out, and see what kind of thing it is; and when it has grown old, what kind of thing it becomes, and when it is diseased.

Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and the rememberer and the remembered: and all this EXERCISEin a nook of this part of the world; and not even here do all agree, no, not any one with himself: and EXERCISEthe whole earth too is a point.

Original · ancient Greek

Ἔκστρεψον καὶ θέασαι οἷόν ἐστι, γηρᾶσαν δὲ οἷον γίνεται, νοσῆσαν δέ, πορνεῦσαν.

Βραχύβιον καὶ ὁ ἐπαινῶν καὶ ὁ ἐπαινούμενος καὶ ὁ μνημονεύων καὶ ὁ μνημονευόμενος. προσέτι δὲ καὶ ἐν γωνίᾳ τούτου τοῦ κλίματος καὶ οὐδὲ ἐνταῦθα πάντες συμφωνοῦσι καὶ οὐδὲ αὐτός τις ἑαυτῷ· καὶ ὅλη δὲ ἡ γῆ στιγμή.

Leopold · Teubner 1908
Commentary

Two views that devalue the idols. The passage joins two devices against self-deception — of the body and of the love of fame. The first is the EXERCISEphysical definition of the body: "turn it inside out and see" (ἔκστρεψον καὶ θέασαι) what it is and what it turns into in old age, sickness, debauchery (γηρᾶσαν, νοσῆσαν, πορνεῦσαν). The bare look breaks the spell of the flesh (cf. 8.24 — the bath as oil-sweat-filth; 06-13).

DOGMAFame on a speck. The second is the EXERCISEview from above upon fame: "short-lived" (βραχύβιον) are the praiser and the praised, the rememberer and the remembered — all four roles ephemeral. More: all the talk is "in a nook of this zone" (ἐν γωνίᾳ τοῦ κλίματος), where not even there do all agree, "nor anyone with himself"; "the whole earth is a point" (ὅλη ἡ γῆ στιγμή). The spatial diminishment (earth-as-point) compounds the temporal (short life), and posthumous fame is left without support (cf. 04-03 — oblivion; 9.30 — the view from above on the swarming). There are no term-lemmata in the text. The governing discipline is desire (to devalue body and fame), the sustaining one assent (not to judge them goods).

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Discipline of desire

Original · ancient Greek

Ἔκστρεψον καὶ θέασαι οἷόν ἐστι, γηρᾶσαν δὲ οἷον γίνεται, νοσῆσαν δέ, πορνεῦσαν.

Βραχύβιον καὶ ὁ ἐπαινῶν καὶ ὁ ἐπαινούμενος καὶ ὁ μνημονεύων καὶ ὁ μνημονευόμενος. προσέτι δὲ καὶ ἐν γωνίᾳ τούτου τοῦ κλίματος καὶ οὐδὲ ἐνταῦθα πάντες συμφωνοῦσι καὶ οὐδὲ αὐτός τις ἑαυτῷ· καὶ ὅλη δὲ ἡ γῆ στιγμή.

Leopold · Teubner 1908
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Commentary

Two views that devalue the idols. The passage joins two devices against self-deception — of the body and of the love of fame. The first is the EXERCISEphysical definition of the body: "turn it inside out and see" (ἔκστρεψον καὶ θέασαι) what it is and what it turns into in old age, sickness, debauchery (γηρᾶσαν, νοσῆσαν, πορνεῦσαν). The bare look breaks the spell of the flesh (cf. 8.24 — the bath as oil-sweat-filth; 06-13).

DOGMAFame on a speck. The second is the EXERCISEview from above upon fame: "short-lived" (βραχύβιον) are the praiser and the praised, the rememberer and the remembered — all four roles ephemeral. More: all the talk is "in a nook of this zone" (ἐν γωνίᾳ τοῦ κλίματος), where not even there do all agree, "nor anyone with himself"; "the whole earth is a point" (ὅλη ἡ γῆ στιγμή). The spatial diminishment (earth-as-point) compounds the temporal (short life), and posthumous fame is left without support (cf. 04-03 — oblivion; 9.30 — the view from above on the swarming). There are no term-lemmata in the text. The governing discipline is desire (to devalue body and fame), the sustaining one assent (not to judge them goods).

DisciplineDiscipline of desire
Record added2026-07-16
Statuspublished